climb vs conventional milling

Climb Milling vs. Conventional Milling

There are two distinct ways to cut materials when milling: Conventional Milling (Up) and Climb Milling (Down). The difference between these two techniques is the relationship of the rotation of the cutter to the direction of feed. In Conventional Milling, the cutter rotates against the direction of the feed. During Climb Milling, the cutter rotates with the feed.

Conventional Milling is the traditional approach when cutting because the backlash, or the play between the lead screw and the nut in the machine table, is eliminated (Figure 1). Recently, however, Climb Milling has been recognized as the preferred way to approach a workpiece since most machines today compensate for backlash or have a backlash eliminator.

 


Key Conventional and Climb Milling Properties:

Conventional Milling (Figure 2)

  • Chip width starts from zero and increases which causes more heat to diffuse into the workpiece and produces work hardening
  • Tool rubs more at the beginning of the cut causing faster tool wear and decreases tool life
  • Chips are carried upward by the tooth and fall in front of cutter creating a marred finish and re-cutting of chips
  • Upwards forces created in horizontal milling* tend to lift the workpiece, more intricate and expansive work holdings are needed to lessen the lift created*

climb milling

 

Climb Milling (Figure 3)

  • Chip width starts from maximum and decreases so heat generated will more likely transfer to the chip
  • Creates cleaner shear plane which causes the tool to rub less and increases tool life
  • Chips are removed behind the cutter which reduces the chance of recutting
  • Downwards forces in horizontal milling is created that helps hold the workpiece down, less complex work holdings are need when coupled with these forces
  • Horizontal milling is when the center line of the tool is parallel to the work piece

climb milling


When to Choose Conventional or Climb Milling

Climb Milling is generally the best way to machine parts today since it reduces the load from the cutting edge, leaves a better surface finish, and improves tool life. During Conventional Milling, the cutter tends to dig into the workpiece and may cause the part to be cut out of tolerance.

However, though Climb Milling is the preferred way to machine parts, there are times when Conventional Milling is the necessary milling style. One such example is if your machine does not counteract backlash. In this case, Conventional Milling should be implemented. In addition, this style should also be utilized on casting, forgings or when the part is case hardened (since the cut begins under the surface of the material).

 

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17 replies
  1. CHRIS BRIDGEMAN
    CHRIS BRIDGEMAN says:

    This is one of those left hand cutters! How about turning the tool, and cutter the correct direction. G41 climb cutting on the right side. G42 or conventional cutting on the left. Sorry I couldn’t help myself.

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    • Jimbo
      Jimbo says:

      It depends on your perspective. Are they showing a view looking down at the work piece or looking up from the workpiece.

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  2. Rich
    Rich says:

    Great article. I’ve had to use conventional milling when for example, I’d have my thin unsupported part sticking out of work holding with the tool path contouring around the part (think milling end while cutting a part in a lathe) with the material flexing would cause snapping while climbing because it wants to take a large bite as opposed to ramping the cut in. But yeah, 95% or more is climbing.

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  3. Dustin Maki
    Dustin Maki says:

    “Conventional Milling should be… utilized on casting, forgings”
    In my head, I logically organize castings as least processed, forgings as most processed, and everything else (hot rolled, cold rolled, extruded) somewhere in between. So to me, that part seems to say ‘use conventional milling for everything’, which is obviously not right. Could you show me where I went wrong,? More specific examples, like case hardening, why a particular direction of cut is preferred for a chunk of metal with unknown provenance.

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    • Guy Petrillo
      Guy Petrillo says:

      Thank you for the question Dustin! We would suggest conventional milling when your material has a rough surface, such as cast iron, or is anodized because when conventional milling your cut is scooping underneath the surface to remove your material making it easier on your tool. Also, you want to conventional mill when using a dovetail cutter that has a weak neck diameter because this will help relieve the pressure on the neck of your tool.

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      • Tim Hays
        Tim Hays says:

        This is great info. I have always conventional milled with face mill to remove the scale off of titanium. Tool life is increased and getting under that scale to machine it off instead of slamming the insert into the scale each time. Once scale has been removed, go back to climb cutting.

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  4. Bryan
    Bryan says:

    Thanks for this very clear and informative explanation. It has been decades since I worked in a factory. Back then the Bridgeport milling machines had terrible backlash. They would chatter or jump when using climb milling. Plus, if one was approaching the end of a cut, one wouldn’t know if the tool would grab at that point and pull the work past the past the desired end point. I almost exclusively used conventional milling and couldn’t understand why many people on YT now talk about using climb milling.

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    • Jimbo
      Jimbo says:

      A 60 year old worn out manual Bridgeport is all I have to work with. (It is in better shape than my 65 year old worn out body.) I rarely climb mill anything, specially not steel. But if the cut is really light, and I want a good finish, I climb mill. , I apply some drag with the table lock screw, and that seems to eliminate the chatter.

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  5. fuson cncmachining
    fuson cncmachining says:

    Hey there, first of all thank you so much for this post and honestly I was searching for the same information from last few days. Keep posting and keep sharing..

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  6. Ronald Barton
    Ronald Barton says:

    I want to mill a slot, that needs to be as smooth & accurate as possible.

    .375 wide 187 deep & .625 long.

    I DON’T think you can do that in 1 or 2 steps.

    Please, enlighten me!

    Bridgeport 2600 max rpm.

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  7. Clint Rey
    Clint Rey says:

    Added uses for conventional cutting:
    Never climb cut across the end of an upstanding thin rib in aluminum or plastic (You will rip it off). Use reduced feed and conventional cut it or use multiple small depth cuts. Commonly made cutting to length T or L extrusions. You’ll only make this mistake once.
    It helps to conventional cut torched or burnt out steel plate rough profiles first, then switch to climb cut after you mill through the slag. Same principal as case hardened material. Corn-Cob or serrated cutters work nice here too.

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  8. Jon Beaudry
    Jon Beaudry says:

    I think you left out force vectors during cutting. This can influence tool defection and taper on the side wall on the part. The force vectors are different magnitudes between climb and convectional cutting, so this impacts work holding and this parts or this walls.

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